This idea that poms should be bigger and creating a new Victorian pom or bringing back the old type is just an excuse for badly bred dogs. On this page you will find the proof that the victorian pom was not bred out of existance but it was made a breed in it's own right in 1985 and still lives on today all be it a rare breed now.
There is no such thing as a vitorian pom, what people refer to as a victorian pom today was registered at the German Spitz in 1985 and this can be found in the links and editorial below.
If you go and check the history of the breed you will see that what some call the Victorian pom now was registered as a breed in it's own right being the German spitz Klein and Mittel this was in 1985.
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by Malcolm Willis (First Printed March 1984) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Report to the KC Breed Standards/Registrations Committee on German Spitz (Klein)/ German Spitz (Mittel) INTRODUCTION I was asked to make recommendations with regard to registration procedure for German Spitz currently registered as Pomeranians and for the methods of 'grading up' from Pomeranians to German Spitz. This report is intended to cover these points and has been discussed with representatives of the German Spitz Club ESTABLISHMENT OF SEPARATE REGISTERS In cattle breeds it is generally held that four or five top crosses with a particular pure bred bull will allow upgraded stock to be recorded as 'pure bred'. Five top crosses would convert to 96.87% pure and four to 93.75% pure. In my view it would be acceptable to settle for four top crosses with German Spitz before a Pomeranian can be classified as German Spitz (Klein or Mittel). It does not require the crosses to be male and use of pure bred German Spitz females will be equally acceptable. Diagramatically the procedure would be as follows using four grading registers designated A,B,C and D to represent different grades of crossing the procedure:
There are complications in respect of Klein and Mittel. Ideally a register should be set up for each development stage towards each breed but that may be impracticable. I would therefore suggest that two pure bred registers be established, one for German Spitz (Klein) and one for German Spitz (Mittel). The development registers A,B,C and D should be combined as far as Klein and Mittel are concerned and at the stage of the fourth cross being produced, the litter (In its entirety) so born would be recorded as being either Klein or Mittel. From that stage the animals will be kept separate except when used on Development register stock. Hopefully German Spitz breeders will work on the principla of using top crosses with Klein stock throughout or with Mittel stock throughout to get the required type. ALLOCATION TO REGISTERS My allocations are appended, listed by the register they should belong to. In the case of some animals the percentage German Spitz 'blood' is less that 50 and is either 25 or 12.5%. Strictly speaking, these do not belong in any register being intermediate between A and B. I feel however, that it would be most logical to insert these in register B as a start. Hopefully all animals in A,B,C and D will be mated to stock which are 100% German Spitz, i.e. in the pure bred register. In view of the limited numbers this might not be feasible without serious inbreeding problems. Accordingly matings may take place between animals in various of the development registers. Thus we may mate two register B animals together. Our procedure should then be as follows: Intermating with development register animals should be permitted as a means of enlarging the gene pool but animals so born must be registered in the lower of the two registers from which the parents cam. Thus B with C goes in B, C with D goes in C. LENGTH OF TIME REGISTERS SHOULD BE OPEN I think a period of three years from establishment of German Spitz registers should suffice for allowing Poms to be recorded as register A stock. After that time register A should be closed. Registers B, C and D should be closed progressively as animals filter through the system but at this stage I do not think we should put a time limit on them. I feel that a ten year minimum is needed to allow numbers to build. GENERAL COMMENTS This is illustrated in the following table for the dogs Tum Tum vh Vlinderhof of Lireva (Male), April Folly at Tordown (Female) and Venestiens Mauricia of Lireva (Female). Relationshp to these three is shown in percentage terms. Numbers of animals with percentage 'blood' from Tum-Tum, Folly and Mauricia
The number of dogs in each column is 48, the 49th being the animal itself. In working out percentage influence overall totals have been divided by 46 (i.e. excluding the three dogs named). In effect, Tum Tum is grandsire to the population and the other two are each equivalent to great grand-dams. This is high reliance on a small number of dogs and the need for more imports of differing lines is paramount. The German Spitz Club does keep litter records and hopefully will persist in this as a means of keeping an eye open for defects. None may have appeared in bulk but numbers are small and many defects take time to emerge. German Spitz breeders may wish to gain full pedigree/purebred status faster but there are no shortcuts to up-grading and the best solution for an increase in numbers is to import animals in bulk. APPENDIX Dogs to be registered in each of the registers after being removed from the Pom. register. Numbers preceding names are German Spitz Club numbers. FOR REGISTER A (POMS) FOR REGISTER B (ONE TOP CROSS) FOR REGISTER C (TWO TOP CROSSES) FOR REGISTER D (THREE TOP CROSSES) PURE BRED GERMAN SPITZ REGISTER
In my view registrations should be made of all these even if no longer alive and no fee should be charged to the owners who have registered them already. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||